Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe of The Thinking Practitioner podcast talk to Healwell’s Cal Cates about how their work with death and dying brought perspective and presence to their work as a massage therapist; and to living itself. Listen to the full episode here.

Topics include:

• How is “being a massage therapist in the modern world a total setup”?

• What do we say when our clients just want results?

• How do our personal experiences influence the way we engage with our clients?